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Иначе по темата, бих казал, че вероятния "оригинален" профил на Славяните, преди да се смесят в няколко различни под-профила, вероятно е Балто-подобен, като този: Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(Balto-Slavic_Profile),0.136588,0.126941,0.090132,0.072675,0.044624,0.030678,0.005405,0.014999,-0.005931,-0.025695,-0.004709,-0.008992,0.016055,0.014175,-0.013572,0.014717,0.026598,-0.004814,-0.001383,0.007379,0.00025,-0.008779,0.002095,-0.005784,-0.000958 Distance to: Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(Balto-Slavic_Profile) 0.03203751 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija_(n=10) 0.03423692 Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija_(n=8) 0.03571393 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija_(n=10) 0.03642558 Russian_Pskov_(n=32) 0.03736051 Russian_Nizhny_Novgorod_(n=1) 0.03746190 Karelian_Southwest_(Livvi)_o_(n=1) 0.03786128 German_Bavaria_Middle_Franconia_Erlangen_o1_(n=2) 0.03857698 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija_(n=10) 0.03861146 Latvian_(n=7) 0.03924221 Ukrainian_Rivne_(n=12) 0.03984163 Kashubian_(n=2) 0.04103183 Ingrian_o_(n=1) 0.04111404 Russian_Kaluga_(n=4) 0.04132360 Russian_Tver_(n=9) 0.04143553 Belarusian_(n=23) 0.04146053 Estonian_(n=11) 0.04172728 Ukrainian_Chernihiv_(n=9) 0.04189385 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija_(n=8) 0.04194617 Russian_Kursk_(n=8) 0.04276513 Ukrainian_Dnipro_(n=9) 0.04276999 Lithuanian_(n=5) 0.04308171 Russian_Voronezh_(n=5) 0.04321261 Moldovan_o1_(n=5) 0.04329559 Kuban_Cossack_(n=1) 0.04351950 Russian_Belgorod_(n=4) От там насетне, етно-генетичните процеси на Славяните трябва да са вървяли по логиката на асимилация на Южно-Европейски елементи, вероятно спрямо каквото е имало локално, плюс нови адстрати в следващите епохи. Интересно, че дори днешните Северни Славяни имат към 15-20% Южен примес. Все пак, Източните Славяни показват усвояване на други не-Южни елементи от локалните популации по техните земи, а Западните Славяни вероятно усвояват Германски елемент чак след Немската колонизация на Изток. Днешните Чехи от Западната част на страната са по правило поне 1/4 Немци. В древните проби се вижда, че едновременно, в едни и същи периоди съществуват Славянски профили подобни и на Западните и на Южните и някакви вариации между тях, включително Южно-Славянски профили в Полша. Трябва да е имало сериозно движение между различните племена. За някои от тези движения има и потенциални основания, като сходни етноними между Абодрити на Балканите и Ободрити в Померания, че даже между нашите Сърби и Лужичките в Германия.

Това изглежда e напълно случайна рекомбинация между пропорциите на WHG/EEF/Yamna. Това е Urnfield culture, по това време още ги няма повечето исторически племена. Ако погледнеш и другите outlier-и, има такива които директно влизат на дистанция като чисти Германи. Това е същата игра на съставки наредени в сходни пропорции. За тези споменатите от Iron Age Balkans бих предположил същото, но не съм ги поглеждал още.

Може би не съм се изразил съвсем разбираемо. По никакъв начин не отричам миграционните процеси, които са довели Микенците до Крит. На острова идва нов народ, който променя езика и слага край на старата Минойска цивилизация. Може и да не е перфектния пример, но исках да покажа каква е разликата между очакванията за ДНК резултати на древни хора vs реалната ситуация. Просто Микенците вероятно изгубват голяма част от степния си профил вероятно още на север от Дунав и после допълнително се смесват с Минойци, поради което виждаме 10-15% степ в тях. Относно Етруските, там миграционните процеси са станали очевидно в Бронзовата епоха. Култута Виланова има градация на развитието си още от културата на погребалните урни. Посоката на развитие е от север на юг, за което свидетелства и племето на Ретите на север от Етеуските. Нищо не сочи към Егейска връзка толкова рано. Дори и някакви мигранти да са се домъкнали от Анатолия, то те са дошли в едно вече развито и офермено общество и са се разтворили в него. Както посочихте, периода на Ориентализацията внася Егейските културни елементи из Средиземноморието, свързани с миграцията на Гърци и Финикийци. В древността, трябва да се отчете, че Троянския произход е престижен и желан и много племена са искали да си го припишат. И Гърците често търсят някакви романтични обяснения на въпроса какво е станало с Троянците след войната. Римляните също си измислят въображаем Троянски произход. Та така и с Етрускуте, просто митове и романтизъм.

Не виждам на какво се базира тази увереност обаче. Херодот е казал нещо, а той е бил в грешка и друг път. Генетиката потвърджава една автохтонност на Етруските, както и данните от Археологията (култура Виланова). Езикът няма също някакви успоредици в Анатолия, а един Егейски остров пролет не прави (вероятно това са колонисти от Италия в Лемнос, а не обратното). Има ли поне едно съвременно научно откритие, което да потвърждава думите на Херодот? Относно Микенците, имах предвид, че се очакваха силно степни автозомни ДНК профили на елитните погребения, но това просто не е така. Антропологията може да показва, че хората в тези погребения са по-високи или по-силни, но истината е, че автозомно не са по-различни от простолюдието. Поне 2 от елитните гробове се оказаха с пълна липса на степен компонент.

Аз лично прегледах тогава таблицата с данните в суплементите и имаше инфо само за конкретни гробници, но не видях да пише нещо за конкретен социален статус на индивидите. За една от гробниците се твърдеше, че първоначално е създадена от благороднически фамилии, не помня коя беше. Но за мен това не е толкова важен въпрос. Навремето така хората очакваха в микенските шахтови гробове да изкочат някакви убер нордик степни профили и нищо такова не се потвърди. Но ако някой му се занимава, пдф файла и таблицата в суплементите може и да съдържат допълнителна информация за индивидите.

За Филистимците беше доказано с конкретни проби, при това, само 5 проби бяха достатъчни да се потвърди европейска връзка. В момента, имаме 91 семпъла от Етруски и не се потвърджава Анатолийска връзка. За мен това говори достатъчно. Езикът преспокойно може да е от не-степния субстрат, който е около 65-70% у Етруските. Прочие, и други такива твърдения на Херодот вече са отпаднали, като например, че Арменците са Фриги, нещо което не може да се потвърди след като вече имаме проби от Гордиум + проби от цялата история на Армения.

Не знам какви погребения точно са тествани, но според това изследване, което си постнал, наистина ли мислиш, че ако е имало някакъв тънък елитен слой дошъл от Анатолия той щеше да остави 25-34% компонент у съвременните Тосканци?

Това изследване е от 2014-та, с изводи правени още от преди да има изследвана древна ДНК на Етруски. Първите проби на древни Етруски са чак от 2019. Излизат изцяло местна Iron Age популация. За изследването от 2014-та са ползвани модерни проби и е доста несериозно твърдението им за Анатолийския произход на Етруските. От 6-7 години знаем, че Анатолийска миграция е имало в Италия през Имперския период, за което вече доста се е коментирало. Контрибуцията на това население от Изток остава доста осезаемо и до днес в Италия.

Само това ми беше интересно дали има вече консенсус след толкова години след като са били намерени, но явно няма. Питам понеже са доста любопитни артефакти, ние такива нямаме други мисля.

Не ми се отваряше нова тема, та ще питам тук - дали тези каменни изображения са доказано прабългарски? Последно което ми беше попаднало за тях, е че не могат да се докажат на 100% като такива:

Предлагам ти да си избереш една проба, с която имаш много сМ, намери си файла и го качи в гедматч и сравни резултатите и да видим после.

Ползвах сМ проверката на Gedmatch. Според техния сървиз, 7 е минимума за достоверна информация, т.е. под 7 започват случайни комбинации. Но дори и на най-ниските стойности, май до 2 можеше да се свали, пак нямах толкова със скита, което може би значи, че или ползват 1 стойност или нещо си измислят.

Ако е правено с MTA значи не важи, тези хора, предполагам, свалят min threshold-a до 1 за сентиморганите, при което се събират изкуствено много общи сегменти, които по дължина са 1-2 и само по себе си нищо не значат - даже по-лошо - повечето са случайни комбинации и не отразяват нищо. Аз например имах в МТА един бомбастичен матч, 27 сМ с един скит, нещо очевидно невъзможно. Намерих пробата и я проверих, иии нямаше нищо такова. Навремето се твърдеше, че под 10-12 сМ всичко са случайни комбинации, така че МТА занижават вероятно прага, което води до откровена заблуда за клиента.

Не мога да видя добре от телефона повечето графики, но на базата само на съвременни популации ли е правен? Понеже под Анатолия, което се коментира е Анатолийския профил от Желязната епоха и Римския период. Съвременна Анатолия е отклонена сериозно от старите си популации след инвазията на Огузкуте племена.

Ти закара разговора към Микенците. Проби от Бронза вече имаме, от траки също имаме, други неща има в тях. Това сме го говорили и преди, аз не мисля, че имаме и капка кръв от това население от Бронза живяло по нашите земи, така че каквото и да е имало в тях, при нас е дошло през други народи и през други епохи.

За тях се знае, че са частично от Анатолия, така че такова влияние има, но все пак Микенския профил не е станал анатолийски от това. Анатолийският профил, за който иде реч, са пробите от Имперския период от Рим, Западно-Анатолийските проби от the Southern Arc - те са някаква смес от нещо Микенско или пък Егейски бронз + това което предполагам визираш като Анатолийски халколит (Tepecik Ciftlik) + Левант. Отделно от това, в Анатолия има 5 разновидности на този профил.

Нямам достъп до лаптопа ми тая седмица, като цяло това са неща, които се знаят от години, не е нещо ново. За Кавказ у Микенците има два сценария, не знам какъв е консенсуса. Единият вариант е асимилацията на Минойци, другия вариант е да са имали остатък от Caucasus-lower Volga cline още от степната им връзка.

Това вече е направено, няма такъв профил на Балканите през Бронза и Желязото, както и в Италия. В Сицилия се появява такова нещо през Бронза, но дали има приемственост с днешния такъв профил в Сицилия, силно се съмнявам.

Славянският компонент, щом го има при прабългарите, само показва, че всички изследвани проби вече са смесени с местното население, т.е. славяните. Бих заложил, че това смесване е станало на наша територия, но да изчакаме резултати. Остава неясно, освен славянски, каква е контрибуцията на анатолийското и Iron age-а у прабългарите.

Хазарската теория учудващо доста хора се намират още да я подкрепят, но няма никакви доказателства генетично и може съвсем уверено да се каже, че няма такова нещо. Иначе за Анатолийският и по-конкретно Южно-Италийски профил у Евреите, има шанс също да излиза преекспониран в калкулаторите (включително и в комерсиалните), поради самият Левантийски компонент, който е част от него. Според други мнения, този Анатолийски компонент, или поне някаква част от него, е била налична у древните Евреи във връзка с асимилация на Филистимяни, които като част от Морските народи трябва да са били предимно Анатолийци. Аз доколкото съм си играл през древни калкулатори, упорито тези 60-70% илизат като Tepecik, тоест Анатолийското не е случайно. От друга страна, Евреите, които остават в Близкия изток имат едва 7-8% от този компонент, с известа вариативност, като Йеменските Евреи имат учудващо 0% Таа, мисля, че Анатолийско/Италианското е сигурна работа (във връзка с асимилирано италийско население, не за филистимците). Да не говорим и за Самаряните, които са живели 2500 години сред Евреите и изобщо в Близкия изток, имат само 5% Tepecik, а генетично профилът им е може би най-близкото нещо до Bronze Age Levant от днешните народи.

Интересен факт от популационната генетика, за който рядко се говори и ми се струва, че заслужава доста внимание, е т.нар. East Mediterranean shift - прилив на хора от Анатолия и Близкия Изток, който започва някъде през Античността и афектира Южна Европа, като най-ударно Италия, Сицилия, Гърция + островите й, както и Балканите. Най-вече започна да се говори по въпроса, след Moots et al. изследването, когато стана ясно, че Италия през ранно-имперския период претърпява огромна етническа промяна и стария Iron Age Italy профил привидно изчезва за сметка на нов генетичен профил на население от Западна Анатолия (макар че по-късно ще видим, че все пак старият профил е оцелял в известен мащаб). Остава въпросителна как такива огромни маси от хора приемат латинския език и изоставят гръцкия. Малко по-надолу ще добавя едно предположение. Аналогични процеси се наблюдават и в Гръцкия свят, където стария Микенски/Емпурис профил, който оцелява и през гръцките Тъмните векове, та чак до Класическия период, започва около Елинистическата епоха да изчезва за сметка на същия Анатолийски профил. Тук е добре да се вметне, че генетичния профил на гърците от Magna Graecia (гръцката колонизация), е точно стария Микенски/Емпурис профил - така че, Анатолийското етническо влияние няма общо с гръцката колонизация. На Балканите се повтаря същия модел след включването им в Римската империя - старите Iron Age профили тук не изчезват, но се редуцират наполовина от новия Анатолийски профил. Какви са тези древни анатолийци все пак? Ами ужасно приличат в генетично отношение на днешните гърци от Кипър, както и островитяните гърци от Додеканезите, като донякъде има близост и с днешните критяни и маниотите от континентална Гърция, докато останалата част от Гърция е доста отместена генетично на север от множеството славянски и албански заселвания по земите им. Генетичният профил определящ древните анатолийци включва компоненти като западно-средиземноморския Barcin елемент (около 20%); източно-средиземноморския и източно-анатолийски древен елемент Tepecik (около 30-40%); към 10% левантийски примес; 10% Ямна; и 20% Кавказки планинци. Така че по всичко личи, че анатолийските преселници са били от територията на цяла Анатолия, а не само от развитите гръцки полиси от Западното крайбрежие. Тук трябва да се направо уточнение, че има и големи вариативности в този Анатолийски профил, поради разнородното население, което е включвал, но това са усреднени стойности. Някои проби показват и доста по-силен левантийски елемент, например. Освен анатолийци, сред преселниците от Римския период има и чисти левантийци, макар и не чак толкова важни, колкото анатолийците, но все пак е добре да се отбележат. Още по-малко са Северно-Африканските профили, които донякъде може и да са свързани със старите финикийски колонии. Има проби, които са хибриди между Северна Африка, Левант и Западното Средиземноморие, което вече трябва да са финикийци. Въпреки, че наричам това Анатолийско население гърци, все пак, ако трябва да сме съвсем честни, това не са етнически същите гърци от гръцкия Iron Age, това са нови елинизирани човешки маси, нови гърци в основата си. Все пак, в тях се влива и гръцкия Iron Age профил, но в много по-малка степен, и като цяло изчисление е много трудно да се направи. Изобщо древните гърци не са никак еднородни и притегателната сила на езика и културата им, който е повлиял на различни народи в миналото да се елинизират, са били мащаби, които едва ли могат да бъдат оценени напълно в днешно време. От друга страна, същото може да се каже и за Рим - множество народи са повлияни от идеята да бъдеш римлянин и с желание се романизират без да им бъде налагано насила, поради престижа и силата на Империята. Мисля, че може би това е причината Анатолийските гърци преселени в Италия да са приели латинския език и новата римска идентичност. Също и забавният и добре познат културен феномен Римляните да копират гръцката култура, може да се окаже още по-забавен - довчерашните гърци приели римската идентичност сами да са прехвърляли гръцката си култура в новата си римска реалност със същия успех, с който същите тези довчерашни гърци по-преди това да са били карийци, лидийци, лувийци, фригийци, витини, ликийци и т.н. Изначалните причини за този т.нар. East Mediterranean shift, вероятно започват най-вече с гръцката колонизация на Анатолийския литорал. Тук до времето на Елинистическата епоха трябва да са текли тромави процеси на елинизация на местното анатолийско население, но и етническо "анатолизиране" на самите гърци. Върхов момент в този процес трябва да са били походите на Александър на Изток. Включвайки Анатолия в своите владения, започва ударно процес по елинизиране (вече с универсално койне) на мозайката от племена, живяла в древна Анатолия. С какъв успех и колко пълна е била тази Елинизация аз лично не мога да кажа, но вероятно трябва да е вървяла доста неравномерно, поради оцеляването на някои антични племена и в периода след Христа, както и от оцеляването на арменския народи и език, а арменците в древността са били пръснати из голяма част от Анатолия, даже и в Киликия/Сирия. Както знаем, Анатолия в последствие е завладяна от късната Римска република. Тук в големите градски центрове може да се очаква и романизация. След това виждаме включването на големи маси хора в преселническите политики на римската власт. Виждаме тези хора през първите 200 години от Имперския период да заливат Италия. В известен смисъл това е типичният римлянин от този период. Етническата промяна трябва да е станала на доста бързи темпове, съдейки по наличната информация. Все пак, това са данните от изследваните проби от Рим. Какво население е живеело по селата ние не знаем добре, но там трябва да се е съхранил частично стария Italy Iron Age профил, като пак трябва да се наблегне на "частично". За да имаме днешната генетична картина в Южна Италия, може да сме сигурни, че анатолийците навлизат из цялата страна. *** След 3-ти век сл.Хр. в Римската империя започват да се инфилтрират нови етнически елементи и постепенно започва да се изменя генетичната картина по римските земи. Идват и си отиват нови народи, други завинаги остават. На Балканите Славянските маси тераформират и не оставят неафектиран сантиметър, като дори днешните Албанци, Гърци и Румънци имат доволен славянски примес. В Италия Германски племена имат силно влияние на Север, но югът остава и до днес предимно старото Римско население от Имперския период с примеси от старото Italy Iron Age население. Анатолия за жалост е изгубена завинаги след турските завоевания и е силно изменена генетично. Старите гърци от Западна Анатолия са преселени след Младотурската революция, както и множество Понтийски и Кападокийски гърци завинаги напускат старата си родина. При всички положения, старият Анатолийски профил не изчезва, а продължава да бъде важен етно-образуващ фактор в някои страни. Днешните Италианци от юга продължават да са 70-80% наследници на това население, както и поне 35-50% в централните части, докато на север 7-14% и куриозно, 0% в гранични зони в Алпите и Венето. В континентална Гърция с големи разлики от област до област има до към 25-45% влияние. При нас като съвременни Българи прицентите са 24 - т.е. 1/4 от автозомните ни примеси, което е повече от тракийското ни влияние. И все пак, това антично гръко-римско наследство никога не е било признато като пълноправен народо-образуващ елемент при нас. От друга страна, в нашия случай вероятно нещата не са и толкова прости като да кажем, че това е чистата контрибуция на античното гръко-римско население, което славяните са асимилирали. Тук вероятно силно влияние са оказали 200-те години Византийско владичество, за което намекна Южняк в друга тема относно новото генетично изследване обхващащо 2500 години история по нашите земи. Т.е. тук вече може да се мисли за Средновековно гръцко влияние. Колкото и да говорим, че няма "византийски етнос", през Средновековието вече има профил, който наподобява днешния гръцки профил (това от изтекла информация от непубликувано гръцко изследване). Тук трябва да се има предвид и систематичното заселване на Арменци и Сирийци (предимно павликяни и тондракити) в Тракия, чието генетично влияние вклинено в гръко-римския профил едва ли лесно може да се отдели. Така че, това което виждаме като 24% Анатолийски примес в днешното ни население по-скоро е акумулация от няколко фактора. Ще са нужни проби от няколко различни исторически периода, за да разберем каква порция от този елемент е унаследена от власи, кое от гърци, кое от арменци. И сигурно пак няма да е много ясна сметката. Прочие, интересен факт е, че европейските евреи ашкенази, сефарадими, романиоти (и почетно италиоти) са 50 до 70% с генетична контрибуция от същото това Анатолийско население и едва 10 до 25% Левантийско наследство, което показва, че е имало голям прилив на конвърти при първоначалното заселване на евреите в Европа и че това е станало някъде в Южна Италия по всяка вероятност. И също така, че е предимно влияние по женска линия. Би ми било интересно хора с по-големи исторически познания да споделят, спрямо историческите сведения, до каква степен може да е отразено това огромно преселение на хора от Анатолия към римските провинции. Защо например няма огромно преселение на хора от Галия с многомилионното си романизирано население? 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Italy_Roman_Empire_Casale_del_Dolce_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR126,0.101303,0.150298,-0.038466,-0.074936,-0.005847,-0.020917,-0.00235,-0.007154,-0.003681,0.027882,0.004872,0.002698,-0.000892,0.001514,-0.009772,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.006968,0.002263,-0.009004,-0.004367,0.003091,-0.003328,0.003615,-0.00012 Italy_Roman_Empire_Casale_del_Dolce_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR128,0.118376,0.150298,-0.033187,-0.052326,-0.006463,-0.022311,0.001175,-0.011538,-0.018612,0.018953,0.005034,0.006294,-0.007433,0.014588,-0.019137,-0.012994,-0.007171,0.004561,0.003897,-0.013256,-0.003244,0.000618,0.005423,-0.000361,-0.008622 Italy_Roman_Empire_Isola_Sacra_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR38,0.102441,0.157407,-0.0445,-0.08075,-0.017542,-0.031236,-0.00423,-0.008538,-0.013908,0.016766,0.002598,-0.001049,-0.003271,0.006744,-0.007736,-0.010475,-0.011083,0.001014,0.004902,-0.004252,0.001497,0.003462,-0.001232,-0.00012,-0.001796 Italy_Roman_Empire_Isola_Sacra_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR41,0.095611,0.139128,-0.036204,-0.076551,0.004924,-0.026216,-0.00282,-0.005769,0.002863,0.023508,0.003248,-0.001199,0.001635,0.004404,-0.006379,0.000796,0.002347,-0.003294,-0.001634,-0.005503,-0.005989,0.000866,0.00037,-0.001205,0.003952 Italy_Roman_Empire_Isola_Sacra_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR43,0.111547,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.067184,0.003693,-0.025379,0.00423,-0.006,-0.007976,0.029704,0.003248,0.011839,-0.014717,0.006881,-0.017101,-0.000663,0.017341,0.003167,0.005028,-0.000625,-0.010981,0.010881,-0.003204,0.010001,-0.00012 Italy_Roman_Empire_Isola_Sacra_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR44,0.117238,0.167562,-0.028284,-0.070737,0.004616,-0.019522,0.001175,-0.006692,-0.003886,0.034807,0.006333,0.008243,-0.013379,0.001651,-0.009229,-0.004508,0.017211,-0.00038,-0.003268,-0.007003,-0.000873,0.000618,0.001479,0.008314,0.001437 Italy_Roman_Empire_Isola_Sacra_(Levantine_Profile):RMPR42,0.079676,0.149283,-0.061094,-0.091409,-0.011079,-0.028168,-0.003525,-0.010153,0.01309,0.010023,0.006171,-0.002548,0.01219,0.004266,-0.009229,0.007292,-0.001173,0.002027,0.004399,0.001251,-0.001248,0.008285,0.001849,0,-0.001916 Italy_Roman_Empire_Mazzano_Romano_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR1545,0.105855,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.065569,0.001231,-0.016733,-0.00141,-0.000923,-0.006136,0.019864,0.002436,0.003597,-0.007136,-0.000275,-0.015472,-0.015911,-0.008214,-0.002027,0.005028,-0.007629,0.000499,0.011747,-0.005176,0.005784,-0.007065 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR66,0.111547,0.158423,-0.033187,-0.06783,0.002154,-0.026216,0.00094,-0.002538,-0.013703,0.025331,0.012991,-0.004196,-0.001041,0.00523,-0.022937,-0.014983,-0.005867,0.000507,0.004902,-0.015257,-0.005241,0.00272,-0.003451,0.00253,0.000958 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR71,0.10927,0.158423,-0.044123,-0.068153,-0.003693,-0.029841,0.001645,-0.00923,-0.013294,0.022051,0.001949,0.002698,-0.014123,0.003853,-0.020087,-0.011005,0.009648,0.002407,0.002137,0.005503,-0.004866,-0.00643,0.002588,0.007591,-0.003473 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR72,0.113823,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.073321,-0.003693,-0.030957,0.008695,-0.008538,-0.005931,0.028976,0.009256,0.005545,0.002676,0.002202,-0.010315,-0.002254,0.007432,0.002027,0.005908,-0.002501,0.000749,0.002968,-0.008504,-0.001566,0.006107 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR75,0.099026,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.070737,-0.002462,-0.029841,0.005875,-0.011769,-0.001227,0.016948,0.00682,0.002698,-0.005649,0.007569,-0.019137,0.002254,0.001695,0.000253,-0.001383,-0.007629,0.003619,-0.002102,-0.00493,-0.005181,0.008622 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Anatolian_Profile):RMPR78,0.113823,0.157407,-0.031301,-0.079458,0.002154,-0.03012,-0.000705,-0.007846,-0.007772,0.019317,0.002436,0.005095,-0.009366,0.008395,-0.013436,-0.017369,-0.002217,0.000253,0.010936,-0.006503,-0.007237,-0.000989,-0.006286,-0.000482,0.005389 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Levantine_Profile):RMPR70,0.09675,0.157407,-0.0445,-0.085595,-0.009232,-0.023706,-0.004465,-0.007615,0.010431,0.00656,0.004547,-0.003747,0.0055,-0.002064,-0.009772,-0.00053,0.00352,-0.00152,0.001383,0.004252,-0.010357,0.007048,0,-0.006025,0.002874 БАЛКАНИТЕ и АНАТОЛИЯ: Хърватия: Croatia_Early_Medieval_(Byzantine)_Novo_Selo-Bunje_(East_Med_Profile),0.111547,0.148267,0.001886,-0.033269,0.022773,-0.012829,0.00235,-0.004846,0.003272,0.018224,-0.000812,0.006444,-0.010406,0.004542,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.00326,-0.007095,-0.004399,0.001376,-0.012104,-0.000866,0.003451,0.001687,0.001796 Croatia_Early_Medieval_(Byzantine)_Trogir_(Central_Med_Profile),0.11780675,0.14750575,0.004808,-0.02285225,0.021927,-0.0138745,-0.00064625,0.00115375,0.0017895,0.01444225,-0.00012175,0.00539525,-0.00951425,-0.002649,-0.00760025,0.01186675,0.0161675,0.00069675,0.0005345,-0.00087525,-0.002277,0.00009275,-0.0020335,0.001416,0.00026925 Croatia_Early_Medieval_(Byzantine)_Trogir_(East_Med_Profile),0.108132,0.140143,0.004903,-0.044897,0.020311,-0.007251,0.00282,0.005538,-0.001432,0.027518,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.014271,-0.006744,-0.009908,0.012994,0.023991,-0.008488,0.004525,-0.00988,-0.007612,0.005688,0.003697,-0.003012,-0.001676 Byzantine)_Ravna_Slog_(East_Med_Profile),0.111547,0.147252,0.007542,-0.052649,0.025543,-0.019522,-0.00141,-0.002769,0.014521,0.026424,0.013641,-0.005695,-0.005054,-0.021882,-0.015608,0.013524,0.022035,0.003801,-0.014204,0.00025,-0.016221,-0.001855,-0.009613,0.005663,0.005389 Сърбия: Serbia_Late_Antiquity_(Roman_Empire-Byzantine)_Viminacium_Pecine_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.106994,0.144205,-0.033564,-0.064923,-0.001539,-0.022311,0.0094,-0.003461,0.013294,0.021504,0.022572,0.002548,-0.009217,0.014863,-0.012622,-0.013259,0.013299,-0.012035,0.01081,-0.004252,0.002121,-0.009521,0.01023,-0.003133,-0.003473 Serbia_Roman_Empire_Naissus_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.104717,0.150298,-0.029793,-0.060724,-0.002154,-0.019522,-0.00094,-0.011999,0.002863,0.020957,0.002273,-0.000599,0.007433,0.000275,-0.013843,-0.002917,0.011083,0.005954,0.013952,-0.000875,-0.012728,0.00507,-0.003944,-0.008435,0.000958 Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pecine_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.097888,0.156392,-0.048271,-0.058786,-0.004308,-0.022311,0.011281,-0.000231,-0.01493,0.020046,0.006171,0.008992,-0.025272,0.001239,-0.013708,-0.019093,-0.006389,0.001014,0.001131,-0.01063,-0.004991,0.005193,0.006655,0.002651,-0.005868 Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(Anatolia_BA_Profile),0.114961,0.169593,-0.050157,-0.073644,-0.009232,-0.022311,0.013866,-0.01223,-0.007567,0.019864,0.002111,0.014987,-0.004757,0.001101,-0.02253,-0.008884,0.022426,-0.007855,-0.006536,-0.005628,0.010606,0.00136,-0.006162,0.008194,-0.007784 Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(Levantine_Profile),0.085367,0.146236,-0.046009,-0.073644,-0.016311,-0.02761,0.00235,-0.000231,-0.006136,0.01385,-0.001786,0.000749,0.00892,0.004129,-0.005157,-0.009546,-0.010952,-0.00228,0.01169,-0.008004,-0.004991,0.003462,-0.002095,0.000723,-0.000718 Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Vise_Grobalja_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.113823,0.153345,-0.027907,-0.066215,-0.007078,-0.027889,0.003055,-0.00923,-0.016157,0.022597,-0.00406,0.009741,-0.006392,0.009083,-0.017915,-0.016309,0.001043,0.002407,0.005656,-0.006878,0.003743,-0.002473,-0.001602,-0.003374,0.000958 Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(Central_Anatolian_Greek_Profile),0.101303,0.140143,-0.044877,-0.052972,-0.003385,-0.027052,0.00282,-0.000923,-0.024338,0.009841,0.001624,0.004196,-0.011744,0.005367,-0.02158,-0.011933,-0.000782,-0.002914,0.000628,-0.005378,-0.000749,-0.003833,-0.002465,-0.006627,-0.009101 Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Rit_(Anatolia_BA_Profile),0.10927,0.156392,-0.026021,-0.058786,0.014772,-0.017291,0.004465,-0.001385,-0.008999,0.03426,-0.003735,0.003747,-0.016799,0.004954,-0.025108,0.00411,0.021774,0.004434,0.008422,-0.007253,-0.007612,0.005441,-0.004807,0.000602,-0.004431 Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Rit_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.117807,0.1558835,-0.0339405,-0.0731595,0.0006155,-0.0252395,-0.00987,-0.007269,-0.001227,0.026971,0.002111,-0.001948,-0.0053515,0.0038535,-0.0104505,-0.00358,0.011865,0.004434,0.0042735,-0.0029385,-0.0016845,0.0027825,-0.003574,-0.0046995,0.0005985 Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Vise_Grobalja_(Central_Anatolian_Greek_Profile),0.108701,0.1457285,-0.039032,-0.0557175,-0.0138485,-0.017849,0.0041125,-0.0044995,-0.012169,0.0144875,0.0006495,0.0051705,-0.007879,-0.00289,0.0026465,0.0003315,0.0039115,0.0060175,0.003897,0.0007505,0.0059895,0.0113145,0.001787,-0.001928,-0.005149 Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Vise_Grobalja_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.111547,0.160454,-0.03017,-0.069445,0.003077,-0.02259,-0.0094,0.006,-0.008999,0.021504,-0.010555,0.001349,-0.00773,0.003441,-0.011129,0.004773,0.002217,-0.000507,0.001508,-0.001876,-0.014974,0.007172,0.002588,-0.007471,-0.003473 Анатолия: Anatolia_Early_Medieval_(Byzantine)_Nicaea_(East_Med-Anatolian_Profile),0.1126848,0.1549698,-0.0334886,-0.0680884,0.0037544,-0.026885,0.000705,-0.0085842,-0.005522,0.0216494,0.0031186,0.0028776,-0.0087116,0.0036056,-0.0169922,-0.0134712,-0.001695,0.0020272,0.0061842,-0.0070282,-0.0064886,0.0069738,-0.0020458,-0.0001686,-0.0024908 Anatolia_Early_Medieval_(Byzantine)_Samantas_(East_Med_Profile),0.105571,0.15055225,-0.02545575,-0.05628275,0.0043085,-0.02217175,-0.0017625,-0.00490375,-0.00132925,0.01995475,0.00543975,0.0020605,-0.00393925,0.00289025,-0.01323275,-0.0057345,0.006943,0.00101375,0.004148,-0.00647175,-0.00430475,-0.00068025,-0.00064725,-0.00247,-0.0049995 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Благодаря за пояснението, снимал съм ги преди 10 години и в съзнанието ми е останал спомен, че бяха тракийски, но явно са всякакви римляни в този случай.

Не знам, ще трябва да пробвам това довечера. Като цяло и сега на 1 дистанция е добър модел, но ще видя как ще се промени. За E-V13, хаплогрупата е почти унищожена и минава през ботълнек към Средния бронз, а демографския й бум трябва да е започнал около 1300 пр.Хр. ако се съди по наличната досега информация. Така че бих предположил, без да знам към кои клонове са тези кримски проби, че са свързани с Карпатската експанзия на E-V13 по време на прехода между Бронза и Желязото.

Сега попгрегледах E-V13 семплите от Крим: Target Distance Anatolia Medieval_Turkic_Karakhanid.SG Medieval_Turkic_KAZ_Kipchak Sarmatian Slavic Thracian-Kapitan-Andreevo Ukraine_Crimea_Chersonesus_IA:CGG021472__BC_287__Cov_96.35% 0.01551395 • 81.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 18.8 Ukraine_Crimea_Chersonesus_IA:CGG021473__BC_400__Cov_77.20% 0.01410985 • 21.6 0.0 1.8 35.0 41.6 0.0 Ukraine_Crimea_Chersonesus_IA:CGG021474__BC_400__Cov_77.39% 0.01674993 • 14.2 0.0 8.8 75.4 0.0 1.6 Ukraine_Crimea_Chersonesus_IA:CGG021475__BC_400__Cov_74.05% 0.01610641 • 36.2 0.4 1.4 4.8 0.0 57.2 Ukraine_Crimea_Chersonesus_IA:CGG021476__BC_400__Cov_86.13% 0.02434676 • 31.0 0.0 0.0 68.8 0.2 0.0 Average 0.01736538 • 36.8 0.1 2.4 36.8 8.4 15.5 Т.е. предимно смесени гърци и сармати, като тракийска наполовина излиза една проба и част от друга. Една проба удря сериозен Балтийски сигнал, вероятно смъкнат на юг от сармати.

И също за който представлява интерес, защото в нета има малко снимкова информация от тракийски погребални стели (или какъвто е правилния термин за тези погребални камъни) от НИМ или Археологическия, не помня вече: